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Tesla Truck vs Ford F-150 Cost of Ownership: Is the Tesla a Value Buy?

December 3, 2019


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  • Reply Teslanomics with Ben Sullins December 3, 2019 at 3:17 pm

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  • Reply mrspeigle1 December 3, 2019 at 5:09 pm

    No suprise here, when msrp is the same an electric will win on tco every time. Now maintenance may well be a different story, for all we know the tesla truck may have a bad case of luxury caritus.

  • Reply Jackson Scott December 3, 2019 at 5:09 pm

    How did the cost of the Tesla end up being lower than the initial purchase price?

  • Reply snowmanmike December 3, 2019 at 5:10 pm

    Gotta love the car adds on videos like this XD

  • Reply Brando Yo December 3, 2019 at 5:11 pm

    Y’all need to go look at Doug DeMuro’s video on the Cybertruck. He breaks it down differently and has the opposite analysis

  • Reply Sean Butler December 3, 2019 at 5:12 pm

    I'm going with the Cybertruck since the purchase price is so close and the gas and maintenance costs should make up the difference.

  • Reply milxl December 3, 2019 at 5:14 pm

    bad annoying sound quality

  • Reply FamilyFirstJ December 3, 2019 at 5:17 pm

    Data don't lie.

  • Reply LamentoAbsurdo December 3, 2019 at 5:18 pm

    Cybertruck potentially even starts to make money for you in a few years when FSD is there. You just rent it out to people who have something to tow or transport.

  • Reply Stephen Ferris December 3, 2019 at 5:19 pm

    There are a few things wrong with the cost of ownership. One that for dual motor option is 300 miles for the dual motor option. The 500 miles option is for the $70,000. And for repairs that is assuming nothing goes wrong with it which is highly unlikely. And if it does there are only 2 places that can be repaired at Tesla and Rich rebuilds. As Fast lane Truck can attest to their Model 3 was in the shop for a long time due to a lack of parts (common issue with Teslas). Model X, they towed below the vehicle's tow rating and only got 1/3 of the range. The cyber truck has the same problems of the original Ridgeline where the high pillars make it difficult to access the stuff in the bed. Not just at the end of the bed. Refueling for the F150 3 minutes or less. Recharge time 1 hour or less. F150 is able go off roading. Cybertruck may be able to go offroading (not sure about tires) and charge may not be able to make it home. If an owner tries to tow they only get 100 miles then have to charge a hour.

  • Reply S.E. Sander December 3, 2019 at 5:21 pm

    My wife also depreciated 15% since 2016 when we married. Sounds about right.

  • Reply Jay Jay December 3, 2019 at 5:25 pm

    The Ford you used has a V6. Does that really compare in any way to a Dual Motor Cybertruck? I think you'd need to compare it to a V8 or a Diesel, which will drastically change the fuel and maintenance costs of the Ford.

  • Reply Trebor Heminway December 3, 2019 at 5:25 pm

    It sounds like you are going to tackle the problems with EV towing. Can you include cold weather affects as well? I think these are under-reported and Tesla needs improvements in both area's – probably coming with new battery tech, but is a currently big impediment in certain parts of the country and usage.,

  • Reply Errol Christopher December 3, 2019 at 5:27 pm

    What about oil change and parts maintenance

  • Reply Jay Jay December 3, 2019 at 5:30 pm

    Over 15 years of ownership you'll save damn near the cost of the entire vehicle. People WILL understand this kind of value. To hell with what they think about the design. AND it performs better on every level than most trucks?? The Cybertruck is going to be a massive game changer in the truck, car AND SUV markets.

  • Reply Lee December 3, 2019 at 5:32 pm

    I’m going to guess the Cybertruck is going to be twice as cost effective as the f-150

  • Reply Grzegorz Kapica December 3, 2019 at 5:32 pm

    It is not fair to give all advantages to Ford. Please change your phrasing.

  • Reply Brandon Deemter December 3, 2019 at 5:34 pm

    you forgot that you can still sell the cyber truck after 5 years for 65% of its purchase price. F-150 prob around 27%.
    Also cyber truck will prob go 1,000,000 miles, F-150 will go 200,000 miles if lucky.

  • Reply Scott Bradford December 3, 2019 at 5:37 pm

    The Tesla will run 1 million miles with very little maintenance. You might have to replace the battery. Run those numbers out over 10 years and it's probably closer to less than half the cost of the Ford to run.

  • Reply nikoma December 3, 2019 at 5:38 pm

    I love the Cyber Truck and am so glad vehicle design is going in a contemporary direction.

  • Reply lostinthekerf December 3, 2019 at 5:38 pm

    Tesla has designed a pickup that the other 3 will have to respond to. 250,000+ reservations is a number that cannot be ignored. The way pickups are built, look and perform is now changed.

  • Reply Dale LeBlanc December 3, 2019 at 5:39 pm

    Assumption: F150 = 18mpg. As an F150 owner since 2002, I can say with confidence that is no where near actual (normal/city driving) where typical fuel usage is more in the 12mpg.

  • Reply Macro S December 3, 2019 at 5:39 pm

    Depreciation is always the highest cost. And that's always anyone's guess…

  • Reply RC18 December 3, 2019 at 5:39 pm

    It's "here" where exactly with a planned production delay until 2022 is here???????

  • Reply Explosev December 3, 2019 at 5:43 pm

    Not a fan of the mic, but great video!

  • Reply P L December 3, 2019 at 5:44 pm

    Average kWh price is very generous. Most/most will be charging on off peak night rates. For example, the standard rate for me is 11 cents. If I'm on TOU offpeak is 6 cents.

  • Reply Garry Collins December 3, 2019 at 5:47 pm

    As a work truck it's failed. I'll wait for something better.

  • Reply BEM684 December 3, 2019 at 5:48 pm

    I'm not sure why you would assume the same insurance cost for both vehicles. Historically insurers have charged more for Teslas than comparable cars from other companies due to repair costs. Is the assumption that the truck will need much less repair than an F-150 or that the cost to repair will be comparable? Also regarding maintenance – is there expected to be no tire rotation or brake maintenance for the first five years?

  • Reply Nathan Noonan December 3, 2019 at 5:48 pm

    Usually, when you tow something with an ICE pickup your gas mileage is cut in half, and you are seeing single digits (9 mpg).

  • Reply Jason Esquivel December 3, 2019 at 5:51 pm

    With those prices to high on California, I'm glad I live in Texas.

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  • Reply [email protected] December 3, 2019 at 5:54 pm

    After 5 years of use my guess is the cybertruck is going to be between 6k to 14k cheaper than the ford. One thing to keep in mind still is that Teslas usually have lower depreceation that other cars, so there could be another benefit for the cybertruck.

  • Reply David Macdonald December 3, 2019 at 5:56 pm

    The tesla , this truck is to slab sided , and am sure it will be all elon says, but it looks like i designed it and thats probably not the best idea, well to be Frank i would have done a better job on this one , i think more monster truck and less primary 6 .

  • Reply Ardeshir Mehta December 3, 2019 at 5:57 pm

    I don’t think you are right about the Cybertruck not making a huge dent in the truck market right from the get-go, because just look at the pre-orders! Already a quarter of a million; and by the time it rolls off the production line, I am betting that pre-orders will be something between half-a-million and a MILLION. Even if 50% of them get cancelled, that would still mean that more Cybertrucks will be sold in its VERY FIRST YEAR than any other pickup in HISTORY.

  • Reply Dennis Verhagen December 3, 2019 at 6:00 pm

    So if you calculate "fueling" the truck the way one would ACTUALLY charge the truck (using off-peak electricity 90% of the time at $0.09 per kWh) the Tesla fuel cost goes down by $6,092 over 5 years.
    That means the 5 year total cost of ownership of the Tesla is $25,172 lower than having a Ford F150.

  • Reply M22W64 December 3, 2019 at 6:04 pm

    I hated this truck when I first saw it but once I saw the price I saw it a lot differently. I want one so bad now

  • Reply Neil Biggs December 3, 2019 at 6:08 pm

    The biggest game changer this side of the Starship. The ICE industry is doomed. They will never keep up with demand.

  • Reply mosconi0359 December 3, 2019 at 6:11 pm

    You can add me to the list of reservation holders for the Cybertruck who fully intends to follow through with my purchase.

  • Reply Joseph Davis December 3, 2019 at 6:17 pm

    Thanks for the video breaking this down! =]

  • Reply Ottery Lexa December 3, 2019 at 6:18 pm

    I suspect that the cybertruck is more an exercise in setting the bar for the competition than an attempt to outsell Ford. Tesla won't have the spare manufacturing capacity for that for many years, anyway.

  • Reply lazer tag December 3, 2019 at 6:19 pm

    It better have an option to crawl to the bed from the cab…. I actually want to live in one

  • Reply Travis Stratton December 3, 2019 at 6:21 pm

    The only problem with your analysis is a couple things. #1 People buy trucks to pull trailers and haul stuff. How will people supercharge with a trailer? #2 Those of us with Teslas know the real range is about 2/3 the rated range at freeway speeds. The F-150 can go 500+ miles to a 36gallon tank pulling a trailer. How far can the Cybertruck really go? Especially with a load. #3 People don't buy trucks to be economical. They buy trucks to get work done. Ford financing is 0% with good credit. The cyber truck will be more to insure for sure. A new Ford truck will not have $5K in maintenance in the first 5 years. It will be nowhere near that high. My Dad just bought a F-150 and I am getting a Cybertruck. We shall see..

  • Reply GHI66 December 3, 2019 at 6:26 pm

    On efficiency my Model 3 performance is averaging about 68% since I bought in sep. So @ 24p kw (uk) at supercgargers means I'm getting equivalent to 66mpg (no miles / number of gallons I could have bought). Over 8 years or more I expect the cost to be similar to my prius plugin. But the M3 is so much more in many ways. Value for money.

  • Reply Jackson Bangs December 3, 2019 at 6:26 pm

    Tesla Cyber Truck is cheaper to own.

  • Reply servant74 December 3, 2019 at 6:29 pm

    For non-city pickups, there is still the 'great desert for EV Chargers', in Tesla or other flavors in many less populated areas. I am from Texas and now in Tennessee where the nearest commercial charger is many miles away. The EV Desert problem must be resolved to get much of the country (that tends to drive more miles per individual) electrified.

    I have an EV (the only one in my subdivision of only 110 homes) and find my little city car sufficient for my in-town use, but driving distances is very hard (even if my car had a longer range) due to the lack of charging infrastructure.

    I love the vehicles, but we must still address the infrastructure issues.

  • Reply ocnier December 3, 2019 at 6:30 pm

    I currently drive a full size titan 4×4 that is a 2005 (that I bought new). I will continue to drive it until approx 2022/2023/2024 which I suspect are probably the more realistic release years for the "CT" (cybertruck) based on Tesla's history making deadlines. As you can tell from ownership history I drive a vehicle till the wheels fall off (approx the 20 year mark plus I like getting true value out of my purchase ESPECIALLY WITH NEW VEHICLE PURCHASES). I love the "COO" (cost of ownership) on the CT for a 5 year period my big question is based on the loss of range from "BP" (battery pack) degradation over the 10 year mark (something we should start seeing in the first model S over the next 3-5 years) what is the adjusted COO based on the 10 ~15 battery replacement schedule (which I suspect will be a more frequent delta for the CT in terms of replacement BP time due to usage from payload and towing)? What is the cost to pull and install a fresh new BP? Also my buddy has a used model S (2013) and the repairs aren't zero (ie door handles wouldn't present) so I would adjust your maintenance figure over 7 ~10 years to at least 900 ~1200$ (nothing ancillary on a Tesla is cheap). You should be a little more conservative in terms of BP replacement cost/timing as a added projected cost. Overall a decent assessment but I feel it's a little liberal with your saving numbers, but with costs it's better to be a little over than under.

  • Reply Unilockco Smith December 3, 2019 at 6:33 pm

    Function over form just what you really need and Elon has hit it on the head.

  • Reply Liam Bradner December 3, 2019 at 6:35 pm

    There is an additional cost detail in favour of the cybertruck, free charging at tesla superchargers. If I have a free gas station(meaning a tesla supercharger) to go to close by, and I do, then why would I pay to charge it at home all the time. Also I have a solar home, off grid, so when I charge my cybertruck at home it will be from the sun. There was an initial cost to set up my solar power system, but I have almost all of that back after 6 years of operation and no electric bills!. So now my power from the sun is free. Electric vehicles will continue to make steady and significant advancements to the point that driving a gas vehicle will be a large cash loser as well as a destroyer of the planet. We all need blue sky power supply to keep our green earth.

  • Reply Mike Robinson December 3, 2019 at 6:36 pm

    Personally I think the cybertruck is UUUGLY and way to futuristic, but thats personal choice. Its pretty clear that Tesla is out to disrupt markets. It was interesting that you sort of mixed talking about a 2020 Ford vs looking up the 2019 Cost to Own on Edmunds. Also from what I know Tesla insurance tends to be about 10% of a premium over comparable vehicles, and I wonder if that gap will be much higher vs a mainstay of the consumer trucking industry. But even if you halve a lot of the figures in Ford's favor, Tesla will still come out on top.

  • Reply Marc December 3, 2019 at 6:36 pm

    CyberTruck by 2500 per year is my guess

  • Reply paateach December 3, 2019 at 6:37 pm

    Another great video! Congrats on the new studio.

  • Reply Peter Wakeman December 3, 2019 at 6:38 pm

    Ben you like second for value so when or what future for second hand price for Cybertruck?

  • Reply Neal Tauss December 3, 2019 at 6:40 pm

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  • Reply Ron Alaska December 3, 2019 at 6:44 pm

    I’m considering it to be the ultimate SUV that I will mostly use it as, no door dings or paint damage from parking lots! And for my trailer I will plug it into the trailer park outlet and the trailer into the truck so it will be fully charged when I wake up!

  • Reply James Cruz December 3, 2019 at 6:45 pm

    Cybertruck, no doubt.

  • Reply Walt Stogner December 3, 2019 at 6:46 pm

    Tesla make JUNK , FORD DON’T HONOR THERE WARRANTY CLAIMS

  • Reply Peter Wakeman December 3, 2019 at 6:47 pm

    so a Cybertruck buyer now? lols what changed Ben?

  • Reply sanjuansteve December 3, 2019 at 6:52 pm

    All operating cost comparisons with EVs need to also include the option of charging the vehicle with solar panels (we should all have them, especially EV owners), amortizing the cost of the installed array over the product life because when you are your own (solar) fuel station, the cost per distance driven drops to a small fraction of plugging in with grid power.

  • Reply David Elliott December 3, 2019 at 6:54 pm

    Tesla has a stainless body and probably a 500,000 mile battery so depreciation is likely to be very much lower than any other truck. There will be costs for brakes and suspension as they wear but that’s about it.

  • Reply Peter Wakeman December 3, 2019 at 6:55 pm

    Tesla has a great product in the Cybertruck low cost, great build, etc … with great number on the list that is likely to grow. I am of the view other non-Tesla brands may have less demand while Tesla demand increases?

  • Reply Thomas December 3, 2019 at 6:57 pm

    So glad you & your wife decided to go for the Cybrtrk can't wait for you to show your boys how to drive in it or not! In our automous vehicle future!

  • Reply Sly Dawwg December 3, 2019 at 6:57 pm

    This Tesla monstrosity compared to a loaded 4×4 F-150 ? …ARE U KIDDING? .. The T Muck Truck is an embarrassment, & to be laughed at if you ever get one ,…only a "fan-boy like" … You had better be ready to take some well deserved insults if u ride in this ? thing ? … My 3 year old loves it as he has been drawing it for six months 🙂 … Seriously,.. go & get real.. Cheers

  • Reply #buzzofftoxic Blog December 3, 2019 at 6:57 pm

    ps BIG THANK YOU USA FOR CYBER TRUCK FROM OLD TOXIC WALES UK

  • Reply Peter Wakeman December 3, 2019 at 7:03 pm

    Cyber order Cybertruck … what a Tesla ordering event show. Will Cybertruck reduce Tesla sales on 3 Y X and/or Roadster?

  • Reply Edd Jordan December 3, 2019 at 7:06 pm

    love it think it looks great.

  • Reply Francisco Pedroza Jr December 3, 2019 at 7:09 pm

    Here in my Texas city, if you do the paperwork and get a specific meter and box just for your electric vehicle, electricity is $0.0059 a kilowatt. But it is a lot more up front cost than just putting in a 50 amp outlet. It's a whole nother box, meter etc.

  • Reply Alan Lamb December 3, 2019 at 7:09 pm

    Hi Ben. Was wondering if Tesla charging stations are equipped trailered Cyber Trucks.
    I own a Chevy crew cab and pre-ordered a duel motor version of the Cyber Truck. This will be my first Tesla. Cheers.

  • Reply justin miller December 3, 2019 at 7:14 pm

    CT. 15grand.

  • Reply MrJHate December 3, 2019 at 7:16 pm

    Considering the battery sizes available I figured they’d be 100kw for the 250 mile model and another 100kw stacked on top for the top model which would end up being 2.5m/kw or around 400 watts/mile. My $.02 anyway

  • Reply Karl C December 3, 2019 at 7:17 pm

    In Australia insurance kills any fuel savings on current Teslas. Likely same for a truck

  • Reply Wu Me December 3, 2019 at 7:18 pm

    Current UK price per US Gallon for Diesal ~$6.50.
    Does the cyber truck makes sense?

  • Reply VusKorE December 3, 2019 at 7:20 pm

    Cybertruck
    $5000

    Oh, $19 000 geez.

  • Reply Tay Gumi December 3, 2019 at 7:21 pm

    6:41 We here in Germany must pay 0.39€-0.45€> (Provider EWE) for one KWh. T.T 2520€-3375€ per 15000mi. :S

  • Reply reggie d December 3, 2019 at 7:22 pm

    Changing an F-150 Owner to a Tesla Cybetruck. It will be like changing a Republican to a Democrat. It will not happen often. Will the Cybertruck be a success. Absolutely.

  • Reply Leed's Landscaping December 3, 2019 at 7:25 pm

    Good question to ask would be does it withstand the test of time… After 200,000 miles most gassers are in the scrapyard, will that be the case with the cyber truck?

  • Reply keyoke69 December 3, 2019 at 7:29 pm

    EVs are a fad. Coal powered electric cars. Batteries that are super destructive to the environment to mine the materials to make them. Batteries that have a lifespan. Batteries that dont hold a charge in cold weather.

    But, suckers are born every day. And fools and their money are soon parted.

    Call me when Hemp fueled vehicles hit the road. An actual renewable fuel.

  • Reply Gar_ee December 3, 2019 at 7:29 pm

    The model x range is absolutely shredded when towing just 4500lbs, if anyone actually tries to tow the full 17500lbs with the cyber truck, I'll be surprised if they can reliably get 50 miles out of the damn thing. The wH/mile jumps to like 2000 on the X at 4500lbs, the Cybertruck loaded up will be ridiculous. It's not like these things are using anything different to power them. Same batteries and motors.

    Nobody who actually wants to use their truck like a truck is going to use this thing.

    And unibody trucks like the Ridgeline are laughed at as mom trucks by everyone as well.

    The only market for these things are deluded environmentalists who don't understand what environmentalism is, and wealthy techy folks who just want it because it's cool and electric.

  • Reply Vamsi Krishna December 3, 2019 at 7:31 pm

    Ben, you are saying the truck’s impact on the overall pickup truck will be less.
    On the contrary, I think if fleet owners see the savings in operating the vehicles, it will put pressure on individual truck owners as well.
    Let’s say I have a fleet of trucks which carry equipment for cleaning pools, there is no way an individual pool cleaner could compete with me because of the savings I make. Looks be damned.
    Same is with carpenters, plumbers, electricians, yard and lawn managers and other similar owners of pickup trucks.

    PS: most of them don’t travel 250 miles every day. Something also says that there must be some battery breakthrough that might already have happened seeing the price range of the trucks.

  • Reply Usman Ullah Asif December 3, 2019 at 7:32 pm

    i think cybertruck with aftermarket diesel heater will be best option in Canada

  • Reply O Opii December 3, 2019 at 7:36 pm

    I’ve protected the cargo area of my 2016 model S with 1/2” plywood and my F150 has been used one day in the last 2 weeks. I’m over 2000 miles traveled in those 2 weeks since I got the S.

    I no longer hate the my commute, and with fuel cost savings, my S is costing me less than $200 a month; if gas prices go up it’ll get better.

  • Reply Julio Chavez December 3, 2019 at 7:39 pm

    Apples to Apples should be best vs best, F350 deisel super duty dually vs Tri motor.

  • Reply darrengilles darrengilles December 3, 2019 at 7:43 pm

    It doesn't matter about the cost ! its Tesla all day long. I would rather put my money into the pocket of a CEO that I have a great deal of knowledge on and respect and believe in than a company whos CEO's are overpaid ghosts.

  • Reply unchartify December 3, 2019 at 7:44 pm

    Have you seen doug's review? He made a good reason as to why it's not a cheaper option.

  • Reply MrTv20013 December 3, 2019 at 7:54 pm

    Great video thanks, but dude with trucks you should add/include diesel. Also TCO I assume is going electric because it's TCO is lower than an ICE vehicle more often. However TCO isn't something people see. They have a seperate thought for gas/car payment/ insurance/ etc. Also if a truck is down it needs to be repaired quickly which I don't know or think Tesla does well yet.

  • Reply D Wolff December 3, 2019 at 7:55 pm

    Why 5 year takeoffs? You mean the moment this thing is paid off people missing that monthly payment RUN to buy a new one? Both vehicles are JUNK after 5 years? The avg owner in the US now holds onto a vehicle for over ELEVEN years. Why are you ALL doing 5 year takeoffs.
    From owning a truck from lot to grave myself (14 years) I can tell you that the TCO LIFETIME difference is closer to $100,000 dollars. The cybertruck should easily last 250,000 miles…possibly MUCH longer. Who swaps vehicles every 5 years besides the financially elite extreme minority?

  • Reply James England December 3, 2019 at 8:00 pm

    I freaked out when I realized that summertime peak hour electric rate (2-7pm, weekdays, June thru August) was 27 cents in rural Oklahoma, where the overall average is about 9-10 cents. For the overall rate in California to be 26; wow!

  • Reply shiss27 December 3, 2019 at 8:00 pm

    What about up front cost first year?

  • Reply bimmergeezer December 3, 2019 at 8:01 pm

    Ben, another great video, thanks!

  • Reply James England December 3, 2019 at 8:01 pm

    For Tesla to get 5% truck market share would be astounding success for them. I see that as easily attainable.

  • Reply Legend December 3, 2019 at 8:01 pm

    Doesn’t the Cyber Truck come with Free Super charging for life? If so, the Tri-motor option with 500 miles of Range would be almost free to Charge, assuming you live relatively close to a Super charger.

  • Reply P Mason December 3, 2019 at 8:02 pm

    You actually TOWING anything with this truck comparison or are you just driving to Starbucks to get coffee. You do know EVs do not have the same power efficiency all through the RPM range? Watch FastLane Car's videos on EV towing. Yeah some advantages but HUGE consumption. And given it takes an HOUR or more to refuel it kind of kills the towing effectiveness and off road effectiveness.

    BTW if EV owners would switch to batteries as a service a lot of these issues could be cleaned up.

  • Reply Raymond S December 3, 2019 at 8:03 pm

    It's an F-250 competitor

  • Reply P Mason December 3, 2019 at 8:08 pm

    I would also add that few true truck owners are going to buy any new trucks. They are over engineered, have electronics that fail, are way over priced for what they are. We don't need 16 speakers or 180 degree back up cameras or retractable floor boards. And Dodge is owned by Fiat and its a pile of junk. The F150/1500 lines are bourgeoisie toys similar to the Tesla truck. Yeah if all you do is drive to Starbucks then Tesla maybe a good choice even with the added weight. Have fun when all those electronics break down.

    Anyone getting a truck for work will get either a used Craig's list or co-parts truck on auction etc and maybe toss an extra $1k in for some repairs.

    Also good luck when you drive that Tesla truck through water, mud, half flooded area. Batteries don't like water for some magical reason. And good luck when the underside gets rock damage and tears into the battery bank. Also the motors are at the axles so when those get wet say goodbye to the entire assembly. Wax coated wires do not like water.

  • Reply Shannon Wyatt December 3, 2019 at 8:11 pm

    The Tesla Cybertruck is here… No, it isn't

  • Reply Garebear December 3, 2019 at 8:15 pm

    Uhh there's a lot of stuff wrong with Teslas, there's tons of videos about how unreliable they are and their poor quality control.

    So four minutes in with the maintenance being utterly BS I'm stopping. The cars still have steering and suspension maintenance, their ac/dc converters are notoriously bad, and some have had multiple drive units replaced.

    So if it's out of pocket, their prices are higher than Porsche, 200 is a complete lie.

  • Reply András Bíró December 3, 2019 at 8:23 pm

    The looks isn't a big deal. I was looking at it a lot, and now for it looks normal, and every other pickup hopelessly outdated. Maybe now many people think it's too futuristic, but once they become common on the roads, minds will change rapidly. Once it was very weird to talk in public to people who aren't there, now everyone does that.
    And the thing that really sells EV is "butts in seats". Driving an EV of any kind is awesome, and people quickly fell in love with it, driving a Tesla is even better, and based on the specs I expect the Cybertruck to beat even other Teslas. This will be a huge selling point for truck people especially, because conventional trucks drive pretty badly (high center of mass, poor suspension and flexing frame).

  • Reply András Bíró December 3, 2019 at 8:23 pm

    The looks isn't a big deal. I was looking at it a lot, and now for it looks normal, and every other pickup hopelessly outdated. Maybe now many people think it's too futuristic, but once they become common on the roads, minds will change rapidly. Once it was very weird to talk in public to people who aren't there, now everyone does that.
    And the thing that really sells EV is "butts in seats". Driving an EV of any kind is awesome, and people quickly fell in love with it, driving a Tesla is even better, and based on the specs I expect the Cybertruck to beat even other Teslas. This will be a huge selling point for truck people especially, because conventional trucks drive pretty badly (high center of mass, poor suspension and flexing frame).

  • Reply András Bíró December 3, 2019 at 8:23 pm

    The looks isn't a big deal. I was looking at it a lot, and now for it looks normal, and every other pickup hopelessly outdated. Maybe now many people think it's too futuristic, but once they become common on the roads, minds will change rapidly. Once it was very weird to talk in public to people who aren't there, now everyone does that.
    And the thing that really sells EV is "butts in seats". Driving an EV of any kind is awesome, and people quickly fell in love with it, driving a Tesla is even better, and based on the specs I expect the Cybertruck to beat even other Teslas. This will be a huge selling point for truck people especially, because conventional trucks drive pretty badly (high center of mass, poor suspension and flexing frame).

  • Reply born2burn1 December 3, 2019 at 8:25 pm

    I think a big factor is resale. How easy does tesla make it to sell on an used car? Ben, can you make that spreadsheet avialable online? I'd love to put in the details for UK.

  • Reply Salman Khan December 3, 2019 at 8:26 pm

    How long it takes to swap out F150 engine vs Tesla Truck electric motor?

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